Online Finance Review II: Mint (v. Yodlee and a little Wesabe)
I finally got around to checking out mint.com - a new(ish)comer to the world of money management websites. Just so you know where I’m coming from I use Yodlee.com. I really like Yodlee.com. I also took a spin around Wesabe and think it’s pretty interesting and probably better for some people than Yodlee. (check out my previous review of Wesabe and Yodlee) For my needs, which are pretty much just keeping track of all the various accounts I have, Yodlee is the best. The social networking parts are something I wouldn’t say no to, but definitely not anything I’d sacrifice tracking functionality for, which I believe you do with Wesabe. It’s simply targeted at a different type of user than me.
So, now you know what sort of guy I am. Right? Good. So I was interested to see what all the fuss was about with Mint.com, signed me up a free account and started the investigation. I think the first thing you see is that it’s a beautiful site. I mean, you come to it and they’ve gone to the not very subtle, but very nice anyway, green tones - it just puts you in that money lovin’ mood. Very web2.0 feel, very well done, all curvy corners, gradients and translucency. It just feels good to use, pie charts are 3D and shaded, I mean, a lot of this has been thought through. The color palette is well chosen, everything works together visually.
In terms of functionality I’d say that Mint lies somewhere between Wesabe and Yodlee, offering more account management/tracking than Wesabe (but less than Yodlee) and more supplemental functionality than Yodlee (but less than Wesabe).
For money management it works like Yodlee in that it automatically pulls the data for you on a regular basis (and you can manually tell it to update any or all accounts). Now, in order to do this you need to give mint.com your names and passwords (and security questions) to any accounts you want it to track - this is a world of trust to give to a website, so it’s something you need to evaluate yourself. I’ll talk a little more about this later, for now, let’s assume implicit trust. Having the website do the pulling is very, very convenient - you don’t even have to think about anything - it’s always up to date. Wesabe, on the other hand, does not do this automatically you provide the updates (although they work hard to make it convenient to do) - what you lose in convenience you easily gain in not needing to hand over all your logins and passwords to a random corporation.
It does a pretty good job automatically categorizing your transactions automatically, but like Yodlee it allows you to create your own categories and organize everything yourself. Yodlee, though, has added the ability to split a single transaction into partial bits, so an individual transaction can actually flow into two or more categories if necessary. I don’t really need this, but I can see how if you were really needing to keep track of spending this feature would be pretty indispensable.
The main area, though, that Yodlee tops mint on is the variety of accounts it keeps track of. mint.com can manage your bank accounts and your credit cards, certainly the two most important ones. Yodlee, though, literally keeps track of everything - banks, credit cards, investments (stocks, 401k, etc…), frequent flier/loyalty accounts and very, very usefully billing accounts - that is, companies that you need to pay off like utilities, cable and cellphone companies. It shows you all in one convenient place all the bills that you need to pay, how much you owe and when it’s due. It even has a billpay system, although I don’t use it and can’t speak to how good it is. This feature by itself would keep me loyal to Yodlee - it is unbelievably nice to have all the bills you have to pay identified in one place.
On that front, Yodlee just trumps mint and Wesabe. It’s also the main functionality I’m looking for so I’m sticking with them. However, mint and Wesabe provide significant utility that Yodlee does not. Mint provides a ways to save tab that notices your accounts and spending habits and offers you alternate vendors that could give you some savings. For instance, it noticed that I was a Time Warner customer paying way to much for my cable service, waaaay to much, and suggested I try out Verizon FIOS. Not really an option, but an interesting idea. Or it notices you’ve got money in a low interest account and could be earning more elsewhere. I think it’s a little optimistic in telling you exactly how much money it found you, but you know, that’s marketing. It gives you a pretty detailed breakdown of how it came to suggest what it’s suggesting.
It doesn’t provide the social networking that Wesabe provides - which really distinguishes Wesabe. As a service, I believe mint.com competes much more with Yodlee than Wesabe. And on that score, I don’t feel that it comes close to Yodlee’s breadth of services. It trades a wealth of different account types for the interesting, but probably marginal utility of finding alternate vendors for you. Whereas Wesabe trades a lot of convenience but replaces it with a rich social network that offers tons of interesting tips and encouragement for fiscal discipline. You know… if you’re the type that needs to be fiscally disciplined.
There is another significant barrier for mint - that is trusting them, trusting them enough to hand them all the keys to your financial kingdom. The problem is, who the hell are they and why should you trust them? They provide you a laundry list of reasons, but none of them seem really compelling. In fact one of the lists is that they actually use Yodlee to handle the grabbing of data for your accounts!
Yodlee, on the other hand, is used by many big banks. By extension I presume that the banks have vetted things out and a breach in Yodlee would cause problems for all these clients. So, I’m more inclined to trust them because the big boys already do. They’ve added to their security recently, forcing you to choose a picture and phrase (for anti-phishing behaviour), they’re really paying attention. None of this makes one more secure than the next, you need to find your own comfort level and your own reasons for trust - Yodlee’s hit mine, mint hasn’t - your views may be significantly different.
I think mint is off to a good start. The functionality that it has is top notch and the site is beautiful (Yodlee could crib a design direction off these guys!) and it could certainly and easily grow to match Yodlee’s lead. It could put more effort into reassuring users that it was here to stay and provide solid reasons as to why one should trust them to keep their data secure, both from outside and inside attacks. But for now, it definitely hasn’t convinced me to switch.








October 1st, 2007 at 12:55 pm
Nice, I was waiting for this review. Was all set to check out mint but figured you’d get to it eventually. =) Guess I’ll be going back to yodlee. I used to have an account with them when they first started and all they did was the moneycenter part of things. Oddly the account somehow disappeared after they expanded their offerings and added “MoneyCenter” to the name of what used to be their core offering. Wonder what ever happened to all my financial website login data that I had linked to that account.
October 1st, 2007 at 2:20 pm
Yeah, Yodlee kicks butt. They probably clean up inactive accounts - but who knows - you can always shoot them an email or write on their forums if you’re worried…
October 1st, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Oh and I think it was your inquiry that pushed me to actually go and check them out. :)
October 1st, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Did I ever tell you I started using Yodlee based on your recommendation? Well, I did. And it rocks. Thanks!
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:06 am
Everyone should do everything I recommend. I have incredible taste. ;)
Glad you’re digging it. It’s pretty great at what it does!
October 8th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
Mint is powered by Yodlee.
October 17th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
great review. have been a long-time yodlee user, and was going to check out Mint.com today. you summed up the issues nicely. Cheers.
October 17th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
lou, yeah, it pulls the data, but it doesn’t pull all the data that yodlee does. And they give no assurances that they actually only pass along data to yodlee for storage, as opposed to storing it themselves… for my comfort, they need to illuminate their processes a little more.
Anonymous - come back and post your thoughts after you’ve tried out mint. Love to hear what you think. :)
November 13th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Thanks for the review, I think you’ve pretty much summed up my thoughts on each of the three as well. I REALLY like the Wesabe mechanism for data updates and wish the other two would offer that mechanism as an option (I’ve got no problem with any of these guys having my transaction data, but I’d rather they didn’t log into my banking websites).
November 14th, 2007 at 7:54 am
Thanks, natonic! I think Wesabe definitely distinguishes itself with its really strong privacy and its social networking. It just goes to show that different things are important to different people! I had the inverse wish - I wanted Wesabe to start pulling data like Yodlee did! :) You just can’t please everyone all the time and to try, I think, generally ends in failure.
December 13th, 2007 at 11:39 am
My question is: does Yodlee let me keep a separate ledger from what it downloads from my financial institutions? I know mint doesn’t and that is my biggest problem with it. Mint basically trusts the banks to be right. I understand the idea of having all of your aggregated financial information in one place but this still leaves you either remembering all my transactions in my head, keeping a separate balance (paper or something like excel) or running a program like Quicken or MS Money.
My problem isn’t with giving Yodlee (or mint) my financial info it’s being able to check up on the bank and have my own version of transactions to check them against. Also, how do these thing handle something like a gas transaction? I use my card at the pump and it charges my account $1. The adjusted amount sometimes takes 5 days to appear. Or, my son’s preschool is another example. I give them a check and sometimes it is held for a month before it is cashed. Simply downloading my bank info doesn’t always give me a true representation of my balance. Does Yodlee address this or will I still have to use something else to keep my own balance with it as well?
December 13th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
phineas - I don’t do what you want to do. Too lazy! But, Yodlee does have a way to add manual transactions to any account (and things can be manually reconciled if there then become duplicates). I can’t speak to how well it works or not, but it may be worth checking out…
I think that adding in the transaction (for credit checks or via late deposited checks) is probably the only way to handle it and Yodlee seems to support that! Give it a whirl!
December 22nd, 2007 at 2:34 am
[...] 4. Use a website like Yodlee, Mint, or Wesabe to track your finances.  Each website has its own advantages - there is a nice review of them here. [...]
December 25th, 2007 at 12:15 am
The thing is, Mint is powered by yodlee to consolidate accounts. So, in my view, in near future they are going to add all accounts that yodlee is currently capablie… but provide what is missing from yodlee… i.e. analytics around spending. I think I am going to stick with Mint for a while and see if they add my other accounts (that yodlee already supports).
January 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pm
heya Felix,
just a thought: “it’s” means “it is” when using an apostrophe…thus, sentences like // I think Wesabe definitely distinguishes itself with it’s really strong privacy and it’s social networking // would indicate you are saying // “I think Wesabe definitely distinguishes itself with it is really strong privacy and it is social networking… // just a thought. every piece of the grammar pie helps when presenting info to the public…who am i to speak, though, i abhor capital letters. keep up the great info.
January 2nd, 2008 at 7:56 am
Heh, thanks. I get that one wrong a lot - my fingers over apostrophize everything. It’s funny, though, I must have zillions of spelling and grammar mistakes all over this blog but the only one I get called on is its v it’s. Huh!
January 2nd, 2008 at 8:17 am
Prasad - that would definitely be a great outcome and might make me switch over to Mint. I’d need some more clarity, though, on their security practices as well.
January 26th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Just been hunting around looking for comparison reviews like this. I just hit Yodlee’s site, and unless I’m missing it, they have one big fault: no site tour or overview. I don’t want to sign up for anything unless I have a clue what’s about to happen!
January 26th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Mike, signing up’s pretty painless - you don’t give out any account information to get your account. Once you are in you search for your accounts and sign up one at a time - so you can pick a relatively less sensitive account to play around with. At least that’s how I ended up there.
It isn’t necessarily the most friendly site, for sure, but it’s pretty great, nevertheless. :) Give it a shot!
February 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pm
I have been using Yodlee for a month or so now, and I am very impressed at its functionality vs. Quicken (which I used several years ago). If mint were to catch up with Yodlee’s functionality, I might have to consider switching. Yodlee’s user interface leaves much to be desired. One great thing about Yodlee is you can put in your house address, which connects to Zillow.com and keeps your estimated house value up-to-date. You can even link it to your mortgage account and see how much equity you have! My hope is that they will eventually connect to Kelly Blue Book (kbb.com) or Nada.com and allow me to link up my car loan (liability) with the value of my car (asset) … that figures into one’s net worth calculations. Of course, I can create a manual account and put in my car’s estimated value, but it would be nice to have it automatically update (with an occasional user intervention, such as mileage, etc).
February 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Thomas, huh! I didn’t know that they were hooking into Zillow, that’s cool. I suspect you’re probably right and they’ll probably start hooking into other services like that. Very cool!
I agree, the UI isn’t the best. They could use a helping hand on that front, but it’s good enough and thus far, for my needs, no one comes close on functionality. :)
February 13th, 2008 at 4:19 am
[...] It looks like I’m not the only one to feel the same way: http://comments.deasil.com/2007/10/01/online-finance-review-mint-yodlee-wesabe/ [...]
February 14th, 2008 at 11:10 am
mint uses Yodlee according to Yodlee site
March 28th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I’ve tried our both Mint and Yodlee. I guess it all depends on how much analysis you’re looking for. I really only want it to track monthly spending from bank accounts and credit cards in order to balance a budget. The thing I didn’t like about Yodlee is when charges are catagorized incorrectly and you manually change it the change isn’t permanently made to effect all past and future charges of the same type/vendor. Mint allows you to select how that charge is catagorized and all ones like it and one correction changes the lot. Please tell me if I’m missing something here. The Mint graphics are great. I do have some concerns about Mint’s security since it’s a new comer. These may be an overreaction but there is something to be said for the tried and tested. I closed my Mint account but may go back in time as they add features and gain credibility with me on security.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Great article! One of the defects (with Mint) was that they do not provide the ability to track investments. Looks like Mint now has a Beta version that will allow users to do just that! Has anyone tried that out?
Will Mint (with the Investments tracking option) be better than Yodlee?
TIA
May 9th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Anonymous, to be honest I haven’t been following Mint’s progress, but if it is just adding investments for me it will still not rival Yodlee. I love yodlee because I can aggregate so many, many different things in one place and not worry about it. Everything else is just gravy - so far Mint may have some nice gravy, just not enough meat!