My beef with FriendFeed
Well, there was no shortage of chatter about FriendFeed this weekend. So I signed up for it and gave it a teeny little spin. What it is is a social networking aggregator - so you login and you provide it all your information - your facebook, myspace, flicker, delicious (dropped the dots!), amazon wishlist, or pretty much what have you. It does require you to give it all your login credentials for many of the networks - which I found off-putting, but your trust tolerance may vary. Finally it creates a stream of all your activity in all the sites you provided.
This certainly is a hot topic for the internets - the incredibly, incredibly annoyingly labeled lifestream application - as though my life consisted of only what I’ve done in my social networks… gr. But getting past that, addressing the problem people have with all these different websites and keeping track of all of them and all your friends is growing almost exponentially more difficult. So people are looking to bring them all together - FriendFeed’s one take on the subject.
Some people love it, por ejemplo, Scoble does. Duncan Riley, on the other hand doesn’t. I fall into the don’t really love it camp. Here’s the thing - I think an activity aggregator is definitely a great and useful app. The problem with FriendFeed is that it isn’t just an aggregator it is itself yet another a social network. That is - it allows for commenting on everything that shows up in your feed.
So on the one hand it unifies all your activity into one convenient package - but on the other hand it fragments the conversation around your content. While for some folk like Scoble, maybe that doesn’t matter since he has so much conversation - but for the rest of us who treasure comments like little drops of linguistic gold, splitting it up does not help to promote it. So chances of interesting and non-duplicated conversation are now halved as people are starting new threads in two places. In addition to all the various networks you’re on, you have to also check into your friendfeed meta conversation - which lack any relation to the actual conversation happening on the network of origin.
An interesting take could have been allowing for non-registered comments - like the way almost every blog allows. There’s no required registration so it is open for a wide variety of people to leave comments. This could have been an interesting alternative since it could foster more conversation than the walled gardens that most social networks are - if something happens on Facebook, FriendFeed could provide a clearinghouse for people who simply don’t want to join a network to comment. But alas, FriendFeed’s goal of being a social network makes it just another username and password to remember for all concerned.
Really, though, instead of providing a new place to comment - it should pull comments from the source, where possible, and allow FriendFeed commenting only on elements that don’t allow it, Amazon Wishlist items as an example. Like the way Feedburner shows you how many comments a given blog posting has - that would be a good example of how to provide a really useful aggregation service that also keeps the unity of existing conversation.
I mean, I dunno, but a social network aggregator that itself wants to be another social network? I suppose it isn’t an inherently bad idea - but to me FriendFeed misses the mark. If the goal of social networks is to facilitate conversation (as one FriendFeed proponent suggests) I believe that FriendFeed makes things actively worse for me. Conversation begets more conversation - an empty board is hard to comment on, one with a thriving thread is more thought provoking and easier to jump into - FriendFeed halves my chances of getting to that thriving thread zone by creating a duplicate forum for discussion and dividing my audience. I would much prefer a more distributed solution. Anyone else check this out? Digging it?








March 17th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Also, it takes ages to update. I posted something to Twitter about 5 minutes ago and it hasn’t updated yet. I’d want it to be (almost) instant and at most about 2 minutes between updates, let alone if I’m there manually refreshing the page.
March 17th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Piers, yeah - I heard some other folks complaining about that. They definitely need to address that timeliness. I did read somewhere else that they were refreshing faster than Google Reader - although that’s a pretty nebulous claim since Reader refreshes differently for diff’t feeds. Hopefully, though, the speed issue is solvable - they’ll just need a bit more VC money to get it all working. :)
March 17th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
I hear what you’re saying, and feel a bit of it myself. I had a bit of a “this is getting out of hand” moment a couple weeks ago when I’m sitting there with about five browser tabs open and trying to follow conversations around. We need an answer for that, and I don’t know what it is but I hope it gets here soon. There is a bright side, however, or maybe even a couple of them.
Participating in FriendFeed is a lot more direct communication about stuff that’s interesting and what people are thinking about it. It’s a whole lot easier to follow than Twitter. The other, probably more subtle thing is that in some cases the discussion there can drive people back to your blog that otherwise would never have found it, let alone comment. Like me for example. Nice post - a “calm, sensible analysis” as I saw it mentioned.
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March 18th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Todd, interesting point. It does definitely gain something from being itself a social network and a place where one can post things directly in addition to it’s aggregation. In some ways I’m looking for something like that - a gripe of mine with Google Reader is that in “sharing” feed elements there’s no opportunity to leave a brief note on it - I’d love to be able to annotate that stuff and for the post + my text to show up in my shared feed page. In some respects FriendFeed allows for that. But for me this fragmentation of my conversation is really a deal killer for me, I think.
As with all things people are looking for different features and fixes and I am sure for many people it’s exactly what they want. That’s the beauty of the internet. There’s something for everyone. :)
March 20th, 2008 at 10:45 am
I checked it out too! I looked at 10 or more accounts and all 10 were populated by Twitter. Should be called Twitter feed!
Its still is a cool thing and in time sure to grow more useful! Were working towards allowing our user data(awake/sleep status, etc) on FF soon!
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