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		<title>By: When â€˜coolâ€™ trumps openness and transparency â€” Shooting at Bubbles</title>
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		<dc:creator>When â€˜coolâ€™ trumps openness and transparency â€” Shooting at Bubbles</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] was reading a post this morning by Felix from #comment where he suggested that Apple is the new Microsoft and about halfway through my read an interesting thought occurred to me. While his points were [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why Google isn&#8217;t Microsoft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Google isn&#8217;t Microsoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Microsoft and Apple have their core holdings on the desktop, a bastion of isolation if ever there was one. Their business models were about individuals and erecting walls around their individual stuff - in a pre-networked world, this was a completely reasonable thing to do. It was easy to erect barriers to entry (and exit). Nobody was overly worried about sharing. It&#8217;s only as things are more and more networked and more and more functions are subsumed that people look askance at these practices. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Microsoft and Apple have their core holdings on the desktop, a bastion of isolation if ever there was one. Their business models were about individuals and erecting walls around their individual stuff &#8211; in a pre-networked world, this was a completely reasonable thing to do. It was easy to erect barriers to entry (and exit). Nobody was overly worried about sharing. It&#8217;s only as things are more and more networked and more and more functions are subsumed that people look askance at these practices. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Gautam! Let&#039;s see:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. True, but it has 30-40% of the mobile browsing market with something like 2% of the mobile browser market. The writing is on the wall here, nobody is making nokia versions of their websites, with the reduced price and global distribution of the new iPhone it&#039;s as good as done.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. True, although, I won&#039;t argue it, but there&#039;s an irony in the thought that the iPhone&#039;s browser lock in is due to actually adhering to standards. :) Your point though is correct that anyone else could come along and do the same. It is interesting on the one hand to wonder why nobody has.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. Also true. No argument here. :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, points 2 and 3 are not the definition of a monopoly. #2 is a benefit to maintaining the monopoly, but not a requirement - it is, admittedly difficult to maintain a monopoly without this. #3 is a common side effect of a monopoly but not an aspect of it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My concern is not with the current state of Apple, I quite like all their products and as Robb says below, there&#039;s probably a good reason why that&#039;s so. But, things are still early on in Apple&#039;s ascendancy, their overall marketshare is still tiny, but I can already see the seeds of bad news coming and worry. Maybe the worry is too soon or unwarranted, but that&#039;s just me. :) I suspect we&#039;ll be seeing more reason #2&#039;s creeping in and sold to us as &quot;better&quot; in the not so distant future. I would, though, love to be very wrong on this front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Gautam! Let&#39;s see:</p>
<p>1. True, but it has 30-40% of the mobile browsing market with something like 2% of the mobile browser market. The writing is on the wall here, nobody is making nokia versions of their websites, with the reduced price and global distribution of the new iPhone it&#39;s as good as done.</p>
<p>2. True, although, I won&#39;t argue it, but there&#39;s an irony in the thought that the iPhone&#39;s browser lock in is due to actually adhering to standards. :) Your point though is correct that anyone else could come along and do the same. It is interesting on the one hand to wonder why nobody has.</p>
<p>3. Also true. No argument here. :)</p>
<p>However, points 2 and 3 are not the definition of a monopoly. #2 is a benefit to maintaining the monopoly, but not a requirement &#8211; it is, admittedly difficult to maintain a monopoly without this. #3 is a common side effect of a monopoly but not an aspect of it. </p>
<p>My concern is not with the current state of Apple, I quite like all their products and as Robb says below, there&#39;s probably a good reason why that&#39;s so. But, things are still early on in Apple&#39;s ascendancy, their overall marketshare is still tiny, but I can already see the seeds of bad news coming and worry. Maybe the worry is too soon or unwarranted, but that&#39;s just me. :) I suspect we&#39;ll be seeing more reason #2&#39;s creeping in and sold to us as &#8220;better&#8221; in the not so distant future. I would, though, love to be very wrong on this front.</p>
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		<title>By: gautamg</title>
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		<dc:creator>gautamg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, as usual. One point of disagreement - closed != monopoly in relation to you mobile browse point above. Monopolies usually have 3 attributes:&lt;br&gt;1. Majority market share - iphone has 30 to 40% at best. So mobile safari isn&#039;t a monopoly in mobile browsing&lt;br&gt;2. barrier to entry - browsers usually implement barrier to entry via not adhering to standards (think activeX in IE etc). Mobile safari hasn&#039;t shown any such thing yet.&lt;br&gt;3. Lack of innovation - IE didn&#039;t innovate after it got monopoly status till the status was threatened again by  firefox years later. Mobile Safari, is rapidly innovating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, as usual. One point of disagreement &#8211; closed != monopoly in relation to you mobile browse point above. Monopolies usually have 3 attributes:<br />1. Majority market share &#8211; iphone has 30 to 40% at best. So mobile safari isn&#39;t a monopoly in mobile browsing<br />2. barrier to entry &#8211; browsers usually implement barrier to entry via not adhering to standards (think activeX in IE etc). Mobile safari hasn&#39;t shown any such thing yet.<br />3. Lack of innovation &#8211; IE didn&#39;t innovate after it got monopoly status till the status was threatened again by  firefox years later. Mobile Safari, is rapidly innovating.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good points! To be clear, I don&#039;t think closed and better are mutually exclusive. And I agree that Apple does indeed do it better, that&#039;s why I keep forking over all my cash to Steve. But, my point remains that Apple is taking the bundling to an extreme, from software to hardware. To use an iPhone you must use iTunes. Use iTunes, use their software updater, hey now you have Safari and you didn&#039;t even know! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bundling their software with hardware is a step Microsoft couldn&#039;t have taken but would have loved to, AppleTV, unsuccesful as it&#039;s been thus far. Right now because they don&#039;t suck they are getting away with a lot of stuff that Microsoft would never be able to do now. Will mobileme allow other forms of external syncing? It doesn&#039;t seem so from anything I&#039;ve read, but maybe? I don&#039;t know, for now I&#039;m just remaining suspicious, but the worry is definitely there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points! To be clear, I don&#39;t think closed and better are mutually exclusive. And I agree that Apple does indeed do it better, that&#39;s why I keep forking over all my cash to Steve. But, my point remains that Apple is taking the bundling to an extreme, from software to hardware. To use an iPhone you must use iTunes. Use iTunes, use their software updater, hey now you have Safari and you didn&#39;t even know! </p>
<p>Bundling their software with hardware is a step Microsoft couldn&#39;t have taken but would have loved to, AppleTV, unsuccesful as it&#39;s been thus far. Right now because they don&#39;t suck they are getting away with a lot of stuff that Microsoft would never be able to do now. Will mobileme allow other forms of external syncing? It doesn&#39;t seem so from anything I&#39;ve read, but maybe? I don&#39;t know, for now I&#39;m just remaining suspicious, but the worry is definitely there.</p>
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		<title>By: WinExtra &#187; When &#8216;cool&#8217; trumps openness and transparency</title>
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		<dc:creator>WinExtra &#187; When &#8216;cool&#8217; trumps openness and transparency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was reading a post this morning by Felix from #comment where he suggested that Apple is the new Microsoft and about halfway through my read an interesting thought occurred to me. While his points were [...]</description>
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		<title>By: robb</title>
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		<dc:creator>robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here&#039;s what I think.  Apple isn&#039;t closed, they are just better.  The iPhone is a better phone.  OSX is a better OS.  Maybe mobileme will be better than GMail, which wouldn&#039;t be too too hard.  Mail is better than entourage.  Numbers is better than Excel.  But Apple hasn&#039;t implemented everything under the sun, you still need Excel a lot, for instance, but you sure wish you could use Numbers because it is very nice and it integrates with a very nice OS.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Other platforms are a mess.  They fail when you try to do new things because everything hasn&#039;t been thought through.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Point being this:  This is what Apple had to do.  No one else is doing it right.  There are other OSes but they do not have a well thought out object model, a solid OO language underneath and the profoundly well wroung APIs that Apple has made.  They waited and waited and no one did a good enough job.  Adobe applications are a mess, MS&#039;s are worse.  What are they supposed to do?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They use a ton of open API&#039;s though -- the only things that are off limits are DRM-related.  I just don&#039;t think that the other folks are keeping up.  All the big brains are writing internet applications instead of desktop apps -- isn&#039;t that what we&#039;ve all been saying would happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#39;s what I think.  Apple isn&#39;t closed, they are just better.  The iPhone is a better phone.  OSX is a better OS.  Maybe mobileme will be better than GMail, which wouldn&#39;t be too too hard.  Mail is better than entourage.  Numbers is better than Excel.  But Apple hasn&#39;t implemented everything under the sun, you still need Excel a lot, for instance, but you sure wish you could use Numbers because it is very nice and it integrates with a very nice OS.</p>
<p>Other platforms are a mess.  They fail when you try to do new things because everything hasn&#39;t been thought through.</p>
<p>Point being this:  This is what Apple had to do.  No one else is doing it right.  There are other OSes but they do not have a well thought out object model, a solid OO language underneath and the profoundly well wroung APIs that Apple has made.  They waited and waited and no one did a good enough job.  Adobe applications are a mess, MS&#39;s are worse.  What are they supposed to do?</p>
<p>They use a ton of open API&#39;s though &#8212; the only things that are off limits are DRM-related.  I just don&#39;t think that the other folks are keeping up.  All the big brains are writing internet applications instead of desktop apps &#8212; isn&#39;t that what we&#39;ve all been saying would happen?</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting, Bwana on FriendFeed ( &lt;a href=&quot;http://is.gd/vIU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://is.gd/vIU&lt;/a&gt; ) commented that posts like this crop up after every keynote - he&#039;s right - and I think it&#039;s because, as you say, it&#039;s just getting worse. Each time Apple tries to expand it&#039;s ecosystem into new terrain. The larger it is, the easier it becomes to expand.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Right now the reasons for going with Apple, for me at least, outweigh any for not - but I can see that changing. I&#039;ve already switch to Amazon for all my mp3 downloads. Other than that though, I can not, apparently, give Steve enough money fast enough. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s interesting, Bwana on FriendFeed ( <a href="http://is.gd/vIU" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/vIU</a> ) commented that posts like this crop up after every keynote &#8211; he&#39;s right &#8211; and I think it&#39;s because, as you say, it&#39;s just getting worse. Each time Apple tries to expand it&#39;s ecosystem into new terrain. The larger it is, the easier it becomes to expand.</p>
<p>Right now the reasons for going with Apple, for me at least, outweigh any for not &#8211; but I can see that changing. I&#39;ve already switch to Amazon for all my mp3 downloads. Other than that though, I can not, apparently, give Steve enough money fast enough. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Wrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve hit the nail on the head here. This is exactly what has always bothered me about Apple and like you, I only see it getting worse. The odd thing is, I&#039;m a fairly recent returner to Apple products (from a ][c to a MacBook Pro) and it seems like most of the long time Apple users are not only OK with this arrangement, but they actually have a laundry list of reasons why it&#039;s the best thing ever. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t know. I&#039;m unconvinced. I mean, I get the stated reasons for creating such a closed system. The theory behind it is very nice. But, so many of the same criticisms leveled at Gates and Microsoft apply to Apple and Jobs, but people don&#039;t seem to be willing to make the connection.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think a lot of it has to do with Jobs himself and the way he&#039;s created himself as a media figure. My favorite example of this is the FairPlay thing. Jobs gets up there and tells people the only reason they have the DRM is the labels require it, totally ignoring (or justifying aside) the fact that FairPlay content ties the user into Apple products. Perhaps there was a time when it was a requirement for the major labels, but with Amazon, Wal-Mart and Napster all offering DRM free music, that time has long since passed, yet the iTunes Music store still offers most of it&#039;s selections with DRM. Jobs makes a speech and everyone crowns hims as an anti-DRM crusader, but actions speak louder than words and Apple is still using DRM on 75% of what is sold at their store.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I like my iPhone, but it still chaffs my ass that there&#039;s a ton of things I could do with my iPaq that I still can&#039;t do with the iPhone. I&#039;ve always seen Jobs as the gatekeeper to making that happen. Yet he&#039;s great at spinning these omissions as features, though I&#039;ve never bought it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;ve hit the nail on the head here. This is exactly what has always bothered me about Apple and like you, I only see it getting worse. The odd thing is, I&#39;m a fairly recent returner to Apple products (from a ][c to a MacBook Pro) and it seems like most of the long time Apple users are not only OK with this arrangement, but they actually have a laundry list of reasons why it&#39;s the best thing ever. </p>
<p>I don&#39;t know. I&#39;m unconvinced. I mean, I get the stated reasons for creating such a closed system. The theory behind it is very nice. But, so many of the same criticisms leveled at Gates and Microsoft apply to Apple and Jobs, but people don&#39;t seem to be willing to make the connection.</p>
<p>I think a lot of it has to do with Jobs himself and the way he&#39;s created himself as a media figure. My favorite example of this is the FairPlay thing. Jobs gets up there and tells people the only reason they have the DRM is the labels require it, totally ignoring (or justifying aside) the fact that FairPlay content ties the user into Apple products. Perhaps there was a time when it was a requirement for the major labels, but with Amazon, Wal-Mart and Napster all offering DRM free music, that time has long since passed, yet the iTunes Music store still offers most of it&#39;s selections with DRM. Jobs makes a speech and everyone crowns hims as an anti-DRM crusader, but actions speak louder than words and Apple is still using DRM on 75% of what is sold at their store.</p>
<p>I like my iPhone, but it still chaffs my ass that there&#39;s a ton of things I could do with my iPaq that I still can&#39;t do with the iPhone. I&#39;ve always seen Jobs as the gatekeeper to making that happen. Yet he&#39;s great at spinning these omissions as features, though I&#39;ve never bought it.</p>
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