Comments on: The problem with social media for most people http://comments.deasil.com/2009/04/10/the-problem-with-social-media-for-most-people/ escape colon w q Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:30:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Apple buying Twitter? Come on, guys… http://comments.deasil.com/2009/04/10/the-problem-with-social-media-for-most-people/comment-page-1/#comment-14469 Apple buying Twitter? Come on, guys… Tue, 05 May 2009 14:47:38 +0000 http://comments.deasil.com/?p=2229#comment-14469 [...] is where startups go to die. And real time search, the current darling of social media elite (and no one else) would never have made sense integrated with the general Google [...] [...] is where startups go to die. And real time search, the current darling of social media elite (and no one else) would never have made sense integrated with the general Google [...]

]]> By: Garin Kilpatrick http://comments.deasil.com/2009/04/10/the-problem-with-social-media-for-most-people/comment-page-1/#comment-15176 Garin Kilpatrick Fri, 01 May 2009 07:40:09 +0000 http://comments.deasil.com/?p=2229#comment-15176 I'm not partial to any particular community, and though I have problems with social media (like Twitters suggested follow list) I don't have a problem with Social Media as a whole. I've got love for anywhere active conversation is going down. Early adopters get to conversations early and can potentially command it as Scobleizer does, especially in FriendFeed. As long as your plans are not for total domination of a Social Network you don't have to be an early adopter and you can still get plenty of real action out of Social Media. I'm not partial to any particular community, and though I have problems with social media (like Twitters suggested follow list) I don't have a problem with Social Media as a whole. I've got love for anywhere active conversation is going down. Early adopters get to conversations early and can potentially command it as Scobleizer does, especially in FriendFeed. As long as your plans are not for total domination of a Social Network you don't have to be an early adopter and you can still get plenty of real action out of Social Media.

]]> By: Baxter Tocher http://comments.deasil.com/2009/04/10/the-problem-with-social-media-for-most-people/comment-page-1/#comment-15177 Baxter Tocher Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:39:10 +0000 http://comments.deasil.com/?p=2229#comment-15177 Now *that's* a good post. Now *that's* a good post.

]]> By: Jeremy L http://comments.deasil.com/2009/04/10/the-problem-with-social-media-for-most-people/comment-page-1/#comment-15178 Jeremy L Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:34:04 +0000 http://comments.deasil.com/?p=2229#comment-15178 Totally agree. I really enjoy Twitter, and I've had some cool experiences with it, but I also receive ZERO response to any random questions I've asked my followers. If I do receive a response, it's from somebody who is watching for keywords and chooses to respond in order to sell their service.<br><br>My problem with social media is explaining it to those who aren't yet acquainted. Different people use it in different ways. It's hard to tell somebody what their 'way' should be! Totally agree. I really enjoy Twitter, and I've had some cool experiences with it, but I also receive ZERO response to any random questions I've asked my followers. If I do receive a response, it's from somebody who is watching for keywords and chooses to respond in order to sell their service.

My problem with social media is explaining it to those who aren't yet acquainted. Different people use it in different ways. It's hard to tell somebody what their 'way' should be!

]]> By: felix http://comments.deasil.com/2009/04/10/the-problem-with-social-media-for-most-people/comment-page-1/#comment-15179 felix Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:29:29 +0000 http://comments.deasil.com/?p=2229#comment-15179 There's definitely good value in keeping a community small - it maintains the essential character that the early adopters valued in it, basically as a rule of thumb, the smaller the community the better the signal to noise.<br><br>But, the purpose of the social media postings on these is not to encourage said smaller community - often they are to encourage or wonder at the inevitability of mainstream acceptance. To that end, I think their postings are - to some degree - detrimental to that goal. Of course, it's possible I've read them wrong! :) There's definitely good value in keeping a community small – it maintains the essential character that the early adopters valued in it, basically as a rule of thumb, the smaller the community the better the signal to noise.

But, the purpose of the social media postings on these is not to encourage said smaller community – often they are to encourage or wonder at the inevitability of mainstream acceptance. To that end, I think their postings are – to some degree – detrimental to that goal. Of course, it's possible I've read them wrong! :)

]]> By: Larry Greenberg http://comments.deasil.com/2009/04/10/the-problem-with-social-media-for-most-people/comment-page-1/#comment-15180 Larry Greenberg Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:56:23 +0000 http://comments.deasil.com/?p=2229#comment-15180 As your interesting post suggests, social media is very much a work in progress.<br><br>HubSpot recently reported that those who tweet between 10 and 50 times per day tend to have the most followers, suggesting a high level engagement is necessary to build an audience (<a href="http://bit.ly/K3yfN" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/K3yfN</a>). Of those followers, how many are actually listening and how many interact? Brands and businesses want to know that answer from an ROI perspective, because although Twitter and other platforms may not require a great upfront investment of dollars, it does involve the valuable time of paid staffers.<br><br>As an individual, I find Twitter to be a good news filter. I follow those who share my professional and personal interests and demonstrate a track record of providing useful information. As an oracle that sources the wisdom of crowds, you are quite right that Twitter seems to work best for those individuals who engage frequently (social media devotees) or are established celebrities -- i.e., Stephen Fry, journalists, politicians, etc. -- who actually do their own tweeting (authenticity is key).<br><br>Finally, Gordon Crovitz, former WSJ publisher and current writer of its "Information Age" column, recently said this at a Fordham University media industries conference: (paraphrasing) we tend to over-estimate new technologies' short term impact -- and underestimate its long-term impact -- on consumers. <br><br>Just because some social media platforms seem over-hyped now doesn't mean they won't have a unforeseen, paradigm-shifting impact in the more distant future. As your interesting post suggests, social media is very much a work in progress.

HubSpot recently reported that those who tweet between 10 and 50 times per day tend to have the most followers, suggesting a high level engagement is necessary to build an audience (http://bit.ly/K3yfN). Of those followers, how many are actually listening and how many interact? Brands and businesses want to know that answer from an ROI perspective, because although Twitter and other platforms may not require a great upfront investment of dollars, it does involve the valuable time of paid staffers.

As an individual, I find Twitter to be a good news filter. I follow those who share my professional and personal interests and demonstrate a track record of providing useful information. As an oracle that sources the wisdom of crowds, you are quite right that Twitter seems to work best for those individuals who engage frequently (social media devotees) or are established celebrities — i.e., Stephen Fry, journalists, politicians, etc. — who actually do their own tweeting (authenticity is key).

Finally, Gordon Crovitz, former WSJ publisher and current writer of its “Information Age” column, recently said this at a Fordham University media industries conference: (paraphrasing) we tend to over-estimate new technologies' short term impact — and underestimate its long-term impact — on consumers.

Just because some social media platforms seem over-hyped now doesn't mean they won't have a unforeseen, paradigm-shifting impact in the more distant future.

]]> By: AdamSinger http://comments.deasil.com/2009/04/10/the-problem-with-social-media-for-most-people/comment-page-1/#comment-15181 AdamSinger Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:16:06 +0000 http://comments.deasil.com/?p=2229#comment-15181 I see your point. On the other hand, perhaps it makes for more interesting networks because it weeds out the people not really, really interested in the content there. For example, I still belong to forums and boards from the late 90's / early 00's because the communities were so interesting. Social media sites are the same as those, there's no real difference between those old tools and our new ones with rounded corners and pastel colors. I sort of like that many are weeded out and don't break through that don't want to commit the time - it ensures we get content interesting to the network. I see your point. On the other hand, perhaps it makes for more interesting networks because it weeds out the people not really, really interested in the content there. For example, I still belong to forums and boards from the late 90's / early 00's because the communities were so interesting. Social media sites are the same as those, there's no real difference between those old tools and our new ones with rounded corners and pastel colors. I sort of like that many are weeded out and don't break through that don't want to commit the time – it ensures we get content interesting to the network.

]]> By: felix http://comments.deasil.com/2009/04/10/the-problem-with-social-media-for-most-people/comment-page-1/#comment-15182 felix Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:09:19 +0000 http://comments.deasil.com/?p=2229#comment-15182 Adam, I definitely didn't mean to imply that there was no value in social media. My point is that, the value that those who put in a lot of effort is not at all the same value as those of more casual mainstream users. There's still value for casual users, plenty of it, but it's qualitatively different than that of heavy users - yet when they blog about how this site is going to take over the mainstream they blog as though their experience is going to be typical for most users - which it simply is not.<br><br>At times, I think they may actually be doing social media a disservice - telling people a value proposition for using a particular site that is just not going to be what they get. They sign up expecting a certain thing which they don't get and give up - whereas telling them a more typical user experience would have them finding the real value that most people will pull from it. Adam, I definitely didn't mean to imply that there was no value in social media. My point is that, the value that those who put in a lot of effort is not at all the same value as those of more casual mainstream users. There's still value for casual users, plenty of it, but it's qualitatively different than that of heavy users – yet when they blog about how this site is going to take over the mainstream they blog as though their experience is going to be typical for most users – which it simply is not.

At times, I think they may actually be doing social media a disservice – telling people a value proposition for using a particular site that is just not going to be what they get. They sign up expecting a certain thing which they don't get and give up – whereas telling them a more typical user experience would have them finding the real value that most people will pull from it.

]]> By: AdamSinger http://comments.deasil.com/2009/04/10/the-problem-with-social-media-for-most-people/comment-page-1/#comment-15183 AdamSinger Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:53:53 +0000 http://comments.deasil.com/?p=2229#comment-15183 That's true in any network or anything in life - you don't get the value out of it until you put in the effort. Don't pigeon hole it to social media - music too. I wrote music for many years before I was able to create something aurally pleasing. There's no instant value to anything truly worthwhile. That's true in any network or anything in life – you don't get the value out of it until you put in the effort. Don't pigeon hole it to social media – music too. I wrote music for many years before I was able to create something aurally pleasing. There's no instant value to anything truly worthwhile.

]]> By: Marco Fioretti http://comments.deasil.com/2009/04/10/the-problem-with-social-media-for-most-people/comment-page-1/#comment-15184 Marco Fioretti Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:23:53 +0000 http://comments.deasil.com/?p=2229#comment-15184 One of the most sensible pieces I've ever read about the social networking craze. Thanks. One of the most sensible pieces I've ever read about the social networking craze. Thanks.

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